Introducing Leisa + Lisa and the Family Jam

Where Psychology and Family Law Collide

There are a lot of podcasts about relationships. There are a lot of podcasts about parenting. There are even podcasts about divorce.

What's missing is an honest conversation about what actually happens when families enter the court system.

That's why we created Leisa + Lisa and the Family Jam.

This is not a lecture series. It's not therapy jargon packaged for social media. And it's not a “legal tips” show.

It's a candid, unscripted conversation between two professionals who sit inside the same system from different vantage points.

Leisa Wintz is a Florida family law attorney who lives in the courtroom and sees how high-conflict dynamics play out in real time.
Dr. Lisa Sapanaro is a clinical psychologist who works extensively with court-involved families, evaluations, therapy, and reunification work.

Together, we talk about the parts of family conflict that rarely get named.

We discuss parental alienation claims and what they really mean.
We examine mental health diagnoses in custody cases and why denial is often more dangerous than the diagnosis itself.
We challenge traditional violence models that oversimplify complex relational systems.
We unpack how therapy gets used—and misused—in litigation.
We explore parenting, identity, loyalty binds, high-conflict dynamics, and the ways children absorb the pressure adults create.

This podcast is built on real patterns we see every day.

No scripts.
No clean villain-versus-victim narratives.
No pretending the system is simple.

High-conflict families don't operate in straight lines. The court system doesn't either. And children are often navigating the emotional fallout long before any judge makes a decision.

That's what we're here to talk about.

Season One includes ten episodes covering everything from the limits of the Duluth model in family court, to the realities of reunification therapy, to what happens when mental health intersects with custody litigation.

The first episode is releasing soon.

You can subscribe now and be notified when it drops by visiting our YouTube channel here:
https://www.youtube.com/@Familymatterslaw/podcasts

If you are a parent navigating conflict, a lawyer handling custody cases, a therapist working with divided families, or simply someone who wants to understand how psychology and law intersect in real life, this podcast is for you.

We're not here to make it comfortable.

We're here to make it clear.

Subscribe now and join us for the first episode of Leisa + Lisa and the Family Jam.